Date: 2009-11-30 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jimkeller24.livejournal.com
Okay, the commercial is utterly stupid, but... what do you think global warming is caused by? "God hugging us closer", as Tina Fey said it? Or do you think it doesn't exist at all and is just one giant evil liberal plan to take our money away?

Date: 2009-11-30 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmissi.livejournal.com
Dunno what Alli thinks, but I think that a lot of folks have their careers relying on the existence of a man-made climate catastrophe, and that some of them aren't above manipulating data to keep their positions.

The emails are salacious, gossipy fun. But the meat of the matter is the code.

I don't code. I know nothing about Fortran. But I've spent a good bit of time talking with people who know Fortran this week- people who don't have a dog in this fight and don't give a damn about what happens in Copenhagen. To a man, they're all in agreement that the code in the Harry_Read_Me file is utter garbage. It generates particular answers because of the tweaks built into it; you could load any numbers you want to and still get results that say we're warming. It's a scam. Now, the question is, did the scientists involved KNOW they were generating fake results? Or were they so ignorant about the programming that they didn't even know their results were bogus?

Date: 2009-11-30 02:12 am (UTC)
ext_36286: (etc // light bulbs killed polar bears)
From: [identity profile] allisnow.livejournal.com
I think what's happened is that a lot of people are very invested in making sure anthropogenic global warming is accepted as fact. Some people, like Gore, are financially invested directly -- for others, like these guys at CRU, they're invested in many sure they keep getting grant money to 'study' AGW.

Science ceases to be science when you stop using your data to inform your hypotheses and start molding your data to FIT your hypotheses. I think there's a good chance that this is what was happening in the case of CRU.

Date: 2009-11-30 02:04 am (UTC)
ext_36286: (etc // light bulbs killed polar bears)
From: [identity profile] allisnow.livejournal.com
I figure about 99% of global warming is caused by the sun. The last 1% comes from the million-degree temperatures (http://www.examiner.com/x-21818-Virginia-Beach-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m11d22-Al-Gore-thinks-the-Earth-is-actually-hotter-than-the-Sun) beneath the surface of the Earth.

The onus isn't on us to prove it DOESN'T exist

Date: 2009-12-01 09:00 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The onus is on them to prove it DOES exist. They couldn't, so they lied.

Date: 2009-12-02 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Hopenhagen. Wow.

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