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allisnowThe silence since the court upheld Prop 8 has been deafening.
So here we had an interesting issue where the people voted to ban gay marriage, then the CA court said "oh no you di'nt, that's unconstitutional", so the people said, "okay, we'll change the Constitution then" and they did and obviously people complained about it and wanted it thrown out. But this court case was based on whether or not the state constitution was amended properly, not on whether or not gay marriage is a good thing. That's why you had justices who upheld gay marriage before uphold Prop 8 now (they voted on it 6-1). I'm sure they held their noses as they did it, but they did it.
There's a lot going on here. State's rights, judicial fiat vs the will of the people, religious concerns, so-called equal rights, and so on. My personal opinion - and I'm not in the mood for a debate right now, so don't bother - is that equal rights are granted to individuals, not couples. Every adult in this state has the option to marry anyone, as long as that person meets certain qualifications: that they are above a certain age, that they are not already married, that they are not close relations (I think; I'm not sure what the incest laws are in CA) and that they are a person of the opposite sex. These caveats apply to everybody. Sounds like equal protection to me.
And I'm not even going to touch the religious/moral, sociological, and traditionalist aspects of this issue, because I'm too damn tired. But I wanted to address it somehow.
Once in a while I come across someone, usually on a conservative comm, who says "Well, someone unfriended me today because I support Prop 8". And you know, you're free to friend or unfriend anyone you want for any reason you want. But I think it's a really sad statement that someone who ostensibly wants "tolerance" for his/her way of life and beliefs seemingly has a complete absence of tolerance for the beliefs of somebody else.
My support of traditional marriage is as valid as your support of 'gay marriage'.
There. I said it.
So here we had an interesting issue where the people voted to ban gay marriage, then the CA court said "oh no you di'nt, that's unconstitutional", so the people said, "okay, we'll change the Constitution then" and they did and obviously people complained about it and wanted it thrown out. But this court case was based on whether or not the state constitution was amended properly, not on whether or not gay marriage is a good thing. That's why you had justices who upheld gay marriage before uphold Prop 8 now (they voted on it 6-1). I'm sure they held their noses as they did it, but they did it.
There's a lot going on here. State's rights, judicial fiat vs the will of the people, religious concerns, so-called equal rights, and so on. My personal opinion - and I'm not in the mood for a debate right now, so don't bother - is that equal rights are granted to individuals, not couples. Every adult in this state has the option to marry anyone, as long as that person meets certain qualifications: that they are above a certain age, that they are not already married, that they are not close relations (I think; I'm not sure what the incest laws are in CA) and that they are a person of the opposite sex. These caveats apply to everybody. Sounds like equal protection to me.
And I'm not even going to touch the religious/moral, sociological, and traditionalist aspects of this issue, because I'm too damn tired. But I wanted to address it somehow.
Once in a while I come across someone, usually on a conservative comm, who says "Well, someone unfriended me today because I support Prop 8". And you know, you're free to friend or unfriend anyone you want for any reason you want. But I think it's a really sad statement that someone who ostensibly wants "tolerance" for his/her way of life and beliefs seemingly has a complete absence of tolerance for the beliefs of somebody else.
My support of traditional marriage is as valid as your support of 'gay marriage'.
There. I said it.
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Date: 2009-06-01 09:54 pm (UTC)BUT...
But I think it's a really sad statement that someone who ostensibly wants "tolerance" for his/her way of life and beliefs seemingly has a complete absence of tolerance for the beliefs of somebody else.
THIS. THANK YOU.
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Date: 2009-06-24 06:17 am (UTC)You're welcome ;)
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Date: 2009-06-24 06:42 pm (UTC)BTW, the layout is lovely. :)
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Date: 2009-06-24 07:55 pm (UTC)