Speaking as someone that is for gay marriage, I totally agree with your point that your stance is just as valid as mine. It becomes very tiresome for me to see pro-gay marriage people throwing horrible accusations around as if they somehow have the moral right to. No one has the right to decide whose beliefs are valid and whose aren't. We pride ourselves on being a moral and tolerant nation.. but it's not very tolerant to call anyone that's not pro-gay marriage a homophobe.
Additionally, I also think that the Cali judges did was right, even if I disagree with the outcome of the situation. We can't have courts amending a state's constitution whenever they feel like it. This is an issue that should be decided by the states, through elections.. and even tho I dislike it and wish it hadn't.. Prop 8 passed. It was the will of the people. It's hard to argue with that. The price you pay to live in a democratic nation is that sometimes elections don't always go your way. I didn't vote for Obama but I have to accept that most people did and that he's my president.
You make a good point about rights being granted to individuals rather than couples and that yes, everyone is free to marry someone of the opposite sex.. but my main qualm with the traditional marriage argument is that marriage is governmentally legislated in the first place. You can go get married in a church, but it isn't legal until you sign that marriage license.. that crosses a boundary for me. I think because the government has legally qualified marriage, the law should open up to include that two people of the same sex have the same right to marriage as two people of the opposite sex do. I sort of see this as similar to when people of different races couldn't get married.. that changed because it was discriminatory. And I really feel that this is too. But it shouldn't be forced thru the courts as a part of some moral housecleaning.. that'll just lead to trouble.
But I digress. I would feel really hurt if someone defriended me b/c of my position of pro-gay marriage so I'm sorry there are buttheads out there that are being bigoted and mean to you about your stance. That doesn't help either side.
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Date: 2009-05-28 08:16 am (UTC)Additionally, I also think that the Cali judges did was right, even if I disagree with the outcome of the situation. We can't have courts amending a state's constitution whenever they feel like it. This is an issue that should be decided by the states, through elections.. and even tho I dislike it and wish it hadn't.. Prop 8 passed. It was the will of the people. It's hard to argue with that. The price you pay to live in a democratic nation is that sometimes elections don't always go your way. I didn't vote for Obama but I have to accept that most people did and that he's my president.
You make a good point about rights being granted to individuals rather than couples and that yes, everyone is free to marry someone of the opposite sex.. but my main qualm with the traditional marriage argument is that marriage is governmentally legislated in the first place. You can go get married in a church, but it isn't legal until you sign that marriage license.. that crosses a boundary for me. I think because the government has legally qualified marriage, the law should open up to include that two people of the same sex have the same right to marriage as two people of the opposite sex do. I sort of see this as similar to when people of different races couldn't get married.. that changed because it was discriminatory. And I really feel that this is too. But it shouldn't be forced thru the courts as a part of some moral housecleaning.. that'll just lead to trouble.
But I digress. I would feel really hurt if someone defriended me b/c of my position of pro-gay marriage so I'm sorry there are buttheads out there that are being bigoted and mean to you about your stance. That doesn't help either side.